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Will you please stand up for the anthem? NOOOOO

#1 User is offline   salafiya 

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Post icon  Posted 18 June 2006 - 12:59 AM

Assalam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Well, I stopped standing for the pledge two years ago, I think. Hmm, a few looks here and there, but most people didn't care. After awhile, half of the kuffar in my classes would sit down too.

THE RULING ON STANDING FOR THE ANTHEM

During the past week (this refers to a week sometime ago), a number of postings have appeared from both individuals and organizations, expressing their opinions about Mahmoud Abdul Rauf's decision to not stand for the singing of the national anthem. Some have even claimed that standing for the anthem "does not violate Islam."

Irrespective of the differing views, few of them have succeeded in clarifying:

(a) whether this act, i.e., standing for the anthem, is an act which is permissable in Islam, and
(b ) what are the Shariah proofs to determine the act's permissability or impermissability.

Thus to clarify and settle this issue, let us review this matter based on Allah's book, and the sunnah of His Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa salam).
We can deduce the Islamic ruling by first understanding the meaning of the word "worship."

Worship or "'ibadah" could be reduced to the secular understanding of the word, but 'ibadah means, according to the shariah, "all that Allah is pleased with from actions of the heart, tongue and limbs." (al-Ubudiyah). Therefore, the matter of standing for the anthem can be shown to be impermissible based on four counts.

1. The Shariah has prohibited specific body movements, as a sign of respect, let alone worship, to other than Allah. This can be seen clearly from four incidents in the Prophet's sunnah.

I. Standing out of respect:

(a) Anas said, that no one was dearer to (the companions) than Allah's messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), but when they saw him they did not stand up because they knew his dislike of that. (At-Tirmidhi]

(b ) Muawiyah reported that Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alahi wa salam) said, "Let he who likes people to stand up before him, let him recieve his place in Hell." [Abu Dawud & At-Tirmidhi]

II. Bowing out of respect:

It is narrated in at-Tirmidhi that the Prophet (sallallahu alahi wa salam) forbade bowing to anyone out of respect.

III. Prostrating out of respect:

Abu Hurayrah reports that when Muadh ibn Jabal returned from Sham, he came to
the Prophet (sallallahu alahi wa salam) and prostrated before him, saying that he had seen the people of Sham prostrating in respect to their monks, and that the Messenger (sallallahu alahi wa salam) deserved greater respect than than what Muadh had seen the people of Sham give to their monks. The Prophet (sallallahu alahi wa salam) replied, "Were I to have commanded anyone to prostrate to anyone, I would have commanded the wife to prostrate to her husband. [At-Tirmidhi]

Even though no worship was intended in each case, whether standing, bowing or prostrating, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) forbade the action. Thus it is understood from the Shariah, that the act of standing in respect is, at the very best, makroo' (disliked) and at worst, haram (absolutely forbidden).

2. Among the greatest principles of Islam is that a person must not show wala' to the unbelievers and their objects of worship. Wala' is rooted in the heart and manifested by the tongue and limbs.

When one stands in allegiance or wala' to the flag of a nation, he is expressing his wala' to all of what that system represents. None can argue that the American flag symbolizes Islam, on the contrary, it symbolizes disbelief in Allah and His Prophet, irrespective if we consider the flag a Christian or a secular symbol.

Moreover, the issue of coercion cannot be raised, as one is allowed to dissumulate his faith only when under the threat of death. As occured during the time when the Quraish tortured Ammar ibn Yassir and his family for becoming Muslims. Yassir died because of his torture, Sumayah, Ammar's mother was killed by Abu Jahl himself, while Ammar, under torture, verbally recanted his faith. He afterwards came weeping, to the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), telling him what had occured. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), asked Ammar, 'how was your heart at that moment?' Ammar replied, 'tranquil with Iman.' The Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), consoled him and confirmed Ammar's faith.

Afterwards Allah revealed the verse,
"Whoever disbelieved in Allah after his belief, except him who is forced
thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith..."
[An-Nahl, 106]

Indeed, Ibn Abbas and others have further qualified that dissumulation is by the tongue alone and not by the limbs.

Consider the hadeeth reported in the book "az-Zuhd" by Imam Ahmad where the Prophet (sallallahu alahi wa salam) related to his companions that because of a fly, one man went to Paradise and another man went to Hell:

"Two men came upon a people who had an idol to which the people ordered everyone passing through their land, to offer a sacrifice. When they ordered the first of the two men to sacrifice something, he replied that he had nothing to offer. They told him, 'sacrifice anything, even if it is a fly.' He did so and they gave him passage. He later died and went to Hell. They then ordered the second man to offer a sacrifice and he replied, 'I will never sacrifice anything except to Allah,
azz wa jall.' The people then decapitated him and the man went to Paradise."

3. Allegiance/wala.

Now some might argue, "I don't believe in standing, I'm only decieving them
by doing it." Even though it has been shown that this is impermissible, a Muslim's character is not one of deception, but of forthrightness.

Ibn Taymiyah in his essay on the hadeeth of "ghurbah," mentions that those Muslims who living under the unbelievers, but were at the same time strict in observing their own religion, where unharmed, as they endeared the respect of the unbelievers; he also observes that Muslims who lived underneath the unbelievers, yet were afraid to express their faith, were often enslaved. This carries many lessons especially for Muslims living in the West today.

4. Hypocrisy.

While CAIR's declaration did not express this, ISNA's seemed to hinge on the issue of 'constitutional rights.' This in fact, is a tacit recognition of the law of taghut to which we are ordered to disbelieve.

Indeed, our call to Islam, entails the command that people worship Allah alone and submit to Allah's shariah alone. "Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never
break..."
[Al-Baqarah, 256]

This is Islam, the religion that Allah has chosen for us, blessed us with, and the only acceptable religion with Him.

While the SAS does not deny the good work that both CAIR and ISNA may have done in the past, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) has taught us that this religion is one of naseehah. And it is out of naseehah to Allah, His Book, His Prophet, the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk that we have written this short clarification. And Allah knows best. We ask Allah to bless us all and guide us to that which He loves and is pleased with.

A. Idris Palmer,
Executive Director
The Society for Adherence to the Sunnah (SAS)
Washington, DC

This post has been edited by salafiya: 18 June 2006 - 01:03 AM


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Posted 18 June 2006 - 08:19 AM

wo0t. But I still have to stand, though, then they'd kick me out of the hall or give a discipline warning/punishment.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 12:21 PM

Really? They give us the option to stand. They say, "If you wish to stand for the pledge, will you please rise and repeat with me?"

I think ever since that atheist argument in California, most schools have adopted the policy that it's not a requirement to stand. Hey, you should tell them, "It's against my religion"....they can't argue with that. If they ask you for proof, give the proof stated in this article. My school is so scared of religious issues, that if I wanted to I could get away with anything. Alhumdulillah

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 01:18 PM

I had absolutely no idea that standing for the pledge might be wrong. Oh well, there's no pledge in college. But I think it might be a little too much claiming this.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:20 PM

So there is no ikhtilaf on this? :lol:

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:23 PM

OMG i stand up every morning (or used to ; i'm done high school now) for the playing of O Canada :o

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:24 PM

A lot more detailed:

http://qa.sunnipath....ID=2157&CATE=94

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5) It would be permissible to stand up for a person who is not entitled to be shown respect or a non-Muslim without having respect for him in the heart, and that this is done for some diplomatic reason, such as the hope of one accepting Islam or preventing enmity and hatred, as the standing of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) for Ikrima ibn Abi Jahl and Adi Ibn Hatim entails.


Other interesting points:

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1) It is permissible, rather recommended, to stand up out of respect for the people of virtue, such as a teacher, leader, religious scholars and the pious servants of Allah, as the Hadith of Sa’d indicates.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:32 PM

wait so umm...i can't stand up for O' Canada?
and does this make the Pakistan national anthem thingy wrong if they stood up?

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:42 PM

I don't see whats wrong with it, as long as the anthem's lyrics don't go against the Share'a.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:43 PM

Allaahu Alam

:) I never said that there wasn't ikhtilaf. I just presented what I believe. It seems as if most of the people on this board do this, so I don't see how I am any different. inshaAllaah khair.

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=q...&QR=10364&dgn=4

"I pledge allegiance, to the flag" - that always got me.

Anyways, your choice in the end to follow whatever you want.

:ph34r:

Edit: oh yeah, the point of my link was that isn't standing for the anthem (which by the way contains musical instruments, at least...all the versions that I know of) sort of like being loyal to the country? Wallaahu Alam

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 10:07 AM

brotherX, on Jun 19 2006, 03:32 AM, said:

wait so umm...i can't stand up for O' Canada?
and does this make the Pakistan national anthem thingy wrong if they stood up?
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I had to sing the Paki Anthem fours years in a row... grandad use to make us on the day when it was made.... its so silly though coz pakistan was made in like August and they celebrate it in September :huh:

"pak sar zameen shad baaad" :lol: :lol:

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 10:14 AM

^ ... kishware haseen shaad baaaaaaad :whistle:

I used to have to stand up in school and to be honest, I dont think there is anything wrong with doing so... I agree with the quotes in Hamzah's post...

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 10:20 AM

when i was pakistan for two years in the assemblies they make you sing it, i kinda remember some of it... i had to mime coz i didnt know the words.. i had to learn urdu first.. :lol: but at the end they all put their heads down..i always forgot that bit and it looked wierd.. :huh:

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 10:24 AM

^ LOL... yeah, at the end you say "Sayyai, Khudae zul jalal"
which basically means "Symbol of Allah's protection"
and you bow your head down -_-

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 10:26 AM

lol...oooh!
i dont even know what it means... i only know a few words "pak sar zaameen" ( pure, head, floor) .. thats it... and its got the name of my dads cousin in it too.. :D "tabinda..."

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